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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:53 pm    Post subject: Looking for sound arguments for and against. Reply with quote

“to donate to others an income they have not earned is not to have brought them out of poverty, but rather to have helped them to survive more comfortably within it.”- Quote from Dean Mangum's book, The Persistence of Poverty in the United States

A quote from our new dean at the college of business here, responses?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A similar argument is brought forth with regards to spoiling children. If you give a child everything they ask for and in turn expect nothing for it, have they really learned to appreciate what they have been given?

In the quote that you have given us to read, isn't that what the author is really saying...that there is no appreciation by the impoverished by receiving something for nothing. If you do not expect anything from said given income, then why on earth would you expect them to do anything to change their current status.

I guess it also speaks to their eagerness to do nothing. If you choose to reward someone for not doing anything, then why would someone want to do anything else? After all, to take the road less traveled takes far more time and effort to get through then that of the beaten down path.

So that being said I would agree with this quote. Hopefully others will have more to add MartyU.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see the point.

But if he is referring to government benefits I don't see an argument.

In this day and age the only alternative option of living in a cave and hunting wild game is actually illegal.

So government is obliged.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fully agree with the assertion of Mangum!!!
When some Italian politicians,so that are elected by the people,promises subsidies to families of modest means...I have always turned their noses Rolling Eyes

The income that is not earned, certainly help ... but does not solve the problem of poverty!
The war on poverty must be done with other measures of social policy and economic...tax reduction for families with low incomes,creating jobs,increase in salaries,reduction in rent prices of houses,free health care for the poor etc...

interesting topic MartyU, + 1 rep from me just resets Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It comes back to the bible verse of
'heaven helps those who help themselves'
don't ask me where it is in the bible even though I've read the bible twice, once as a kid at Sunday school and once as an adult to make sure I understand what I don't believe in.
But nonetheless, income earnt is more appreciated than any income given.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

akeo wrote:
It comes back to the bible verse of
'heaven helps those who help themselves'
don't ask me where it is in the bible


Nope, it is not a bible quote. It comes from ancient Greece. Some philosopher or playwright, I think. Sorry, I know that's off-topic, but I thought I'd just throw that in. Smile

On topic: “to donate to others an income they have not earned is not to have brought them out of poverty, but rather to have helped them to survive more comfortably within it.”
Well, yes... but so what? It is not necessarily a bad thing to help people survive poverty more comfortably.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think the bible verse you was referring to is

give a man a fish he eats for a day teach a man to fish and he can eat a life time.

as for helping people during poverty times i agree with it. at some point in everyone life they need others to help them. and yes i said everyone. you can be the richest person in the world and born into that wealth but without someone to fix your bottle while you are a baby you will not survive. same with those who have hit hard times in their lives.

funny thing is here in the united states we look at homeless as a problem but do not see a problem with congress making over 1/4 million dollars a year per congressman. nor do we see a problem with the same congressmen being able to declare bankruptcy which will in the long run drop the country deeper into dept. in my OPINION less time needs to be spent on worrying about monies given to the poor and more time spent on worrying why we give so much money to government officials who are unable to do their jobs.

WAKE UP AMERICA
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Carlton 100%. If I hadn't done the job I was hired for then I would lose that job. Same should go for government officials.
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